Ref on the World Cup, being a ref and how football needs to be more inclusive.

In November last year Carl spoke to Ryan Atkin after he became the first openly gay football referee in professional sport.

And following England’s win against Sweden to make the semi-final of the World Cup for the first time since 1990, Ryan joined Carl again to talk about the tournament, refereeing, new initiatives to promote inclusion within the sport and how Russia still needs to more to be inclusive.

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